Comparing a few of the 30cals.

In your opinion at what range do the larger magnum chambering become worth the extra cost in recoil, muzzle blast, component cost, barrel life, etc?

How much of an external and terminal ballistic advantage is gained by going from the 308W to say the 300WSM to ultimately the 300Wolf?

If most of your shot were taken at deer sized game, at what range would your pick one 30cal chambering over the other?

As with most things in live "It all comes with a cost" and "There are no free lunches". I understand this is a very subjective question. Just wanted to get some input.

The 308 Winchester has a maximum range around 1100 yards with the best lead bullets at sea level, in the hands of an expert under "Ideal Conditions".

Having said that, below is a matrix of how I look at things....


______________________308 Win.______________300 WSM_______________30 WOLF

journeyman-Light winds____700 yards_____________900 yards_____________1,000 yards

journeyman-Windy Cond._____500 yards_____________700 yards___________800 yards

Pro-Light winds___________1,000 yards____________1,200 yards____________1,600 yards

Pro-Windy Cond.___________700 yards______________900 yards___________1,200 yards


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Sam cool matrix! That’s what I was looking for.

If stuck with only one lead core bullet for each chambering for all your hunting needs what would you choose for these three (308W, 300WSM, 300 Wolf)?

How many yards would you add to those matrix numbers if PT bullets were used?

I have a similar question about optics, brands, objective diam, magnification, and reticle choice. I will post it on the optics forum.

Are you asking for one bullet that will work in all three calibers, or the optimum bullet for each individual caliber?

Sam,

Your favorite bullet or bullets for each individual chambering.

Just trying to limit variables and keep the mental gymnastics in the field as simple as possible.

You had recommended the 155 Amax and 200 AB for the 300WSM. How about the other two (308W, 300Wolf).

I use the 125 Ballistic Tip for deer and smaller in the 308 Win for 500 yards and in.

The 185 berger VLD with H-4350 for mid and long range.

300 WSM- 190 JLK if only one.

155 amax and 200 accubond if two


30 Wolf- 210 JLK if only one.

178 A-max and 216 Clinch river if two.

Hi I am new here but I am interested in the 300 Wolf . Can anyone shed some light on this for me . What is it , Can it be built on a normal long action Remington . Any information would be helpfull .

Welcome to the forum. The 300 Wolf is based on a 338 Lapua case, and has a capactiy of 121 grains of water. It will shoot a 210 JLK at 3,280 fps. from a 30 inch barrel with a temperature insensitive powder.

It can be, and has been built on AW, Nesika, Sako, HS Precision, Remington 700 LA, and Winchester Model 70 STW (Classic/Express) actions.

SI Thanks for the reply . So this is a 338 Lapua necked down to 30 cal . How does the lenght of the 338 lapua brass compare to the 300 Ultra Mag . The reason I ask is the oal would have to be fairly short to use a Rem 700 action and still be able to use it as anything but a single shoot .

The case length is significantly shorter on the Wolf than the Ultra Mag, around 2.7 inches. The 210 JLK loads to 3.650", and with a Wyatt box you can throat significantly longer. Who needs a single shot anyway?

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Hey S1, What is a Wyatt Box??? I would like to extend the length of my 7mm STW cartridge but still have 2 or 3 in the magazine. Is this possible with the Wyatt box?? My gunsmith told me I can't extend the magazine because the lug would be weakened. I would love to stretch the col on the STW to 3.75 or more. Could possibly get more accuracy???? I have a rechambered Remington 700 BDL magnum action.
Thanks, Steve

Every Wyatt box I have installed several things happen.

The back of the magazine well gets cut, (opposite end of where the lug is).

The bolt stop gets relieved, so the bolt will travel farther Rearward before hitting the stop.

The OAL of the magazine is extended by .090" or more, depending on the model of the original action being modified.

I think the potential for increased accuracy is small, probably 1/4 MOA or less, but I will take a 1/4 MOA anyplace I can get it. Depending on the quality and length of your throat will determine how much you gain by being able to load closer to the lands. You would most likely have to already have a good bedding job and a very mechanically sound rifle/scope/mount/ammo combination to really see a significant improvement in accuracy from loading closer to the lands, as well as proficient load tuning skills.

S1, I already load against the lands with total length of 3.60. When I rebarrel it I will go to 3.650 as the inside of the magazine is 3.70. I don't really dare go further than that with this magazine do I?? Steve

If your chamber design already allows you to load against the lands, I do not see much of an advantage in going to a longer box. You can usually get within .020" of your box length and not sacrifice reliability. Be sure that you are not over compressing your powder charge.